25 December 2010

Wikileaks in Gestation 2001

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List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    mirror volunteers needed
From:       Julian Assange <proff () iq ! org>
Date:       2001-10-16 5:03:46

If you are brave and have a unix account/machine with approximately
2Gig of disk free, we need you.

--
 Julian Assange        |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people
                       |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and
 proff[at]iq.org          |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless
 proff[at]gnu.ai.mit.edu  |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery



List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: mirror volunteers needed
From:       Alex Shiels <zem () zip ! com ! au>
Date:       2001-10-16 5:20:00

On 16 Oct 2001, Julian Assange wrote:

> If you are brave and have a unix account/machine with approximately
> 2Gig of disk free, we need you.

I have a machine with 2 gig (or thereabouts), located in Australia.
Bandwidth is low (64k ISDN) but the machine is available.

If high bandwidth is a necessity I know someone who might be able to help
depending on the content.

-- 
mailto:zem[at]zip.com.au F289 2BDB 1DA0 F4C4 DC87 EC36 B2E3 4E75 C853 FD93
http://zem.squidly.org/ "I'm invisible, I'm invisible, I'm invisible.."



List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: mirror volunteers needed
From:       Steve Furlong <sfurlong () acmenet ! net>
Date:       2001-10-16 5:19:54

Julian Assange wrote:

> If you are brave and have a unix account/machine with approximately
> 2Gig of disk free, we need you.

More details, please. Mainly the kind of material to be hosted. Holding
2GB of kiddie porn (horseman alert!) might be objectionable on moral
grounds as well as legal grounds.

What kind of traffic is expected, in terms of connections per hours and
bytes per hour?

Why does it need to be a *NIX machine? Ease of remote access, security,
active content, or the requirements of the mirroring software?

The mirror would presumably need a fixed IP address. Are there any other
requirements?

-- 
Steve Furlong    Computer Condottiere   Have GNU, Will Travel
  617-670-3793

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly
while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato



List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: mirror volunteers needed
From:       proff () iq ! org (Julian Assange)
Date:       2001-10-16 9:56:20

> Julian Assange wrote:
> 
> > If you are brave and have a unix account/machine with approximately
> > 2Gig of disk free, we need you.
> 
> More details, please. Mainly the kind of material to be hosted. Holding
> 2GB of kiddie porn (horseman alert!) might be objectionable on moral
> grounds as well as legal grounds.

Documents and images. No kiddie porn, but there are still three
other horsemen to choose from. Absolutely legal for now, bar
retrospective legislation, but that won't stop the horse trainers
from pretending otherwise. Constitutionally protected in the US,
but that doesn't mean you won't cop flak from ISP higher-up and
other organisations regardless of where you live.

If you'd be happy to mirror cryptome.org, then you'd probably be
happy to mirror this material.

> What kind of traffic is expected, in terms of connections per hours and
> bytes per hour?

Depends on interest. We can use dns tricks to shape traffic to
reflect your resources.

> Why does it need to be a *NIX machine? Ease of remote access, security,
> active content, or the requirements of the mirroring software?

The anonymous push nature of the mirroring software. We can support
non-unix pull mirrors too, provided there are enough push mirrors
to feed from. The software could be ported to other operating
systems without too much difficulty, but that's another project.

> The mirror would presumably need a fixed IP address. Are there any other
> requirements?

An ability to create mail-aliases, gpg, perl5, and a good sense of humour :)

Cheers,
Julian.

--
 Julian Assange        |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people
                       |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and
 proff[at]iq.org          |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless
 proff[at]gnu.ai.mit.edu  |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery



List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: mirror volunteers needed
From:       Greg Newby <gbnewby () ils ! unc ! edu>
Date:       2001-10-16 13:50:37

On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:56:20PM +1000, Julian Assange wrote:
> 
> > Julian Assange wrote:
> > 
> > > If you are brave and have a unix account/machine with approximately
> > > 2Gig of disk free, we need you.
> > 
> > More details, please. Mainly the kind of material to be hosted. Holding
> > 2GB of kiddie porn (horseman alert!) might be objectionable on moral
> > grounds as well as legal grounds.
> 
> Documents and images. No kiddie porn, but there are still three
> other horsemen to choose from. Absolutely legal for now, bar
> retrospective legislation, but that won't stop the horse trainers
> from pretending otherwise. Constitutionally protected in the US,
> but that doesn't mean you won't cop flak from ISP higher-up and
> other organisations regardless of where you live.

Where's the site?  I'm sure some of us might be interested
if we can see whether we care about the content.

> If you'd be happy to mirror cryptome.org, then you'd probably be
> happy to mirror this material.

Thanks for the legal advice.  cryptome still has decss.zip (and I'm
damned happy they do).  Nearly every other site with it caved to MPAA
pressure.  (Publicly) mirroring cryptome isn't for the timid.  Asking
people to mirror content that might be dangerous to their status with
their upstream provider requires some more details.

  -- Greg



List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: mirror volunteers needed
From:       Greg Broiles <gbroiles () well ! com>
Date:       2001-10-16 18:20:06

At 07:56 PM 10/16/2001 +1000, Julian Assange wrote:
>The anonymous push nature of the mirroring software. We can support
>non-unix pull mirrors too, provided there are enough push mirrors
>to feed from. The software could be ported to other operating
>systems without too much difficulty, but that's another project.

I get the impression this isn't exactly "mirroring" static content, but 
participating in a distributed publishing/retrieval system, a la Freenet 
and Mojo Nation or BitTorrent .. or maybe more like Gnutella or Kazaa .. or 
even Publius, which was nice but never seemed to catch on.

Is that correct?

> > The mirror would presumably need a fixed IP address. Are there any other
> > requirements?
>
>An ability to create mail-aliases, gpg, perl5, and a good sense of humour :)

What software are you using? Is it well-known? Debugged? Is the source 
available? (well, it's Perl, I guess..)

I don't mind mirroring Cryptome, but I'm pretty wary of installing other 
people's newly-hacked-up code in a [quasi-]production environment .. your 
proposal creates two kinds of risk. The first, which is relatively familiar 
by now, is content risk, from people angry about the content .. the second 
is the risk of security problems in the code or its 
configuration/installation, and that sounds like a bigger issue to me.

Why not just use one of the existing distributed systems for this content? 
If you put content in the Gnutella or Kazaa systems, you can give us 
filenames or search strings and then we just make locally cached copies and 
leave machines running (even crappy little windows boxes) to create 
dispersed hard-to-clobber-them-all content. If you put it in the 
Mojo/Freenet/BitTorrent systems, and make the URLs of the content 
publically available, helpful people can make local copies of all or parts 
of your files pretty easily, too.

Or, alternately, make just content available as a .zip or .tgz, and let 
others serve it using FTP/HTTP servers they're already familiar with.

If you can find a way to separate the content risk from the untrusted 
software risk, this project (whatever it is) might have a better chance of 
success.

--
Greg Broiles
gbroiles[at]well.com
"We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids



List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Re: mirror volunteers needed
From:       Steve Mynott <steve () tightrope ! demon ! co ! uk>
Date:       2001-10-16 21:56:00

proff[at]iq.org (Julian Assange) writes:

> An ability to create mail-aliases, gpg, perl5, and a good sense of humour :)

What and where is the source?

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve[at]tightrope.demon.co.uk
    
    its ok the problem solved itself



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