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23 February 2013

Drone Nations

From: "Al Mac Wow" <macwheel99[at]>
To: "'Mark Gubrud'" <gubrud[at]>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:55:17 -0600
Cc: drone-list[at]
Subject: Re: [drone-list] Nations where drones operating

I have been updating my notes, which I call "Drone Nations" as I see news reports, and government reports, identifying where drones are operating in which nations, doing what.

My Drone Nations notes on Scribd:

My collection of drone documents on Scribd:

My collection of drone documents on Google Drive Doc:

As I periodically upload revised editions of notes, I delete the prior version on Google Drive, but use the revision system on Scribd.  Formerly there were other sharing sites I used, which have since died, so at some point in the future I will be looking into additional sites convenient for
me to use.

Definition of drone can vary with the person.  I include cruise missiles, and military craft which were named drones back in WW II, but lack the sophistication of today's drones.  I include drones in space, air, water, land.  I have not been paying much attention to the hobby dimension.  I am sure toy drones are available in nations not on my list.

I carefully cite my sources for the information. For each nation, on my list where drones are operating, or have been operating, I typically have a whole string of url citations.

It seems to me that no one else can be doing what I am doing, because all other published reports with a count on how many nations have drones, are way below my running totals.

Now I grant you that some nations may have in the past had drones, and no longer have drones.  There's also all the nations where NATO has drone bases, but THOSE nations do not have their own drones.  I found out about most of them, thanks to Drone Wars UK data base of where over 100 drones have crashed in recent years.

For that reason I have the two different running totals.

86+ nations have drones which THEY control.
104+ nations have drones operating but
18+ nations have drones which they do NOT control.

There are also nations with mixtures, like Pakistan controls its own military drones, but does not control the NATO drones, which are operating in Pakistan.

Al Mac (WOW) = Alister William Macintyre

-----Original Message-----

From: Mark Gubrud [mailto:gubrud[at]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:12 AM
To: macwheel99[at]
Subject: Re: [drone-list] US drone base added in Niger

Do you have an independent database or what sources are you using? The last claim seems particularly on the high side. What are the 11+ nations that have used deadly drone attacks, into what 18+ nations?


Niger was not previously on my list of nations where drones have been operating, so this news increases my tally to:

86+ nations operate drones by its government and people, mainly for spying.
104+ nations & regions have drones, if we include those operated by foreigners.
11+ nations used deadly drone attacks, into 18+ nations.

From: "Al Mac Wow" <macwheel99[at]>
To: "'Mark Gubrud'" <gubrud[at]>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:24:12 -0600
Cc: drone-list[at]
Subject: Re: [drone-list] Nations attacking which nations with drones

Mark Gubrud asked

What are the 11+ nations that have used deadly drone attacks, into what 18+ nations?

I shared links to my "Drone Nations" notes first, so you can go there to check my citations for how I came up with these nations.

There have been several wars, where drones were used on both sides, depending on how drones are defined.

* First Gulf War: Scuds fired at Israel, drones used to shoot down Iraq air force planes.

* Multiple conflicts with Israel, where Israel uses drones to attack leaders of the groups firing rockets into Israel.

* August 2008 there was a five day war between Russia and Georgia, with drones used on both sides.

* In 2010 I learned about a war going on between Armenia and Azerbaijan, with drones on both sides. I do not know how long that conflict has been going on.

Hezbollah claims to have sent drones into Israel in addition to the one Israel shot down, which, if the news media is correct, was merely surveillance.

Nations which have launched drone attacks, as opposed to surveillance of some kind: (there may be more, which I don't know about yet.)

* Armenia
* Azerbaijan
* Britain
* France
* Georgia
* Germany
* Israel
* Russia
* Turkey
* Uganda
* 11 = my count, as of 2012 Oct-28

Nations which have been on the receiving ends of hostile drones from other nations: (this list is probably incomplete)

Gaza and Palestine are on the receiving ends of Israel military drones.

Hezbollah has flown at least one drone, claims more, over Israel.

Afghanistan, Iraq; Libya, Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and Bosnia have been on the receiving ends of NATO nations' military drones, and in Somalia's case, also by Uganda's drones

Djibouti and Seychelles have bases for drones used by NATO nations in above conflicts, which have also experienced the phenomena of drone crashes.

Bermuda, Bahamas, and Caribbean are being spied on by US Border Patrol drones looking for drug smuggling.

Congo and Rwanda fighting monitored by UN drones.

Nations which have been on the receiving end of military attacks by drones, not surveillance but actual killing and destruction:  (this list is probably incomplete)

* Afghanistan
* Armenia
* Azerbaijan
* Bosnia
* Britain
* Chechnya
* Gaza
* Georgia
* Iraq
* Mali
* Pakistan
* Palestine
* Russia
* Somalia
* Sudan
* Turkey
* Vietnam
* Yemen
* 18 = my count, as of 2012 Oct-28

I have not updated my notes with Syria latest, because it is unclear to me which nations are on the receiving end of which kinds of attacks ... drones, manned flight, ground troops.

Al Mac (WOW) = Alister William Macintyre

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