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22 April 2004

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http://public.dover.amc.af.mil/

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040422-0648.html

Deputy Under Secretary of Defense Molino Briefing on Remains Transfer Policy

Thursday, April 22, 2004

            Molino: Gang, good afternoon.  I'm happy to be here.  I'm happy to talk a little bit about the policy.

            About a year ago actually in the briefing room I conducted a briefing on this subject and many of you may have been in the room.  We talked about it a little bit.  It seems to be coming to the fore again so I'm happy for the opportunity to kind of address it again and talk about it.

            The policy's not a new one.  It goes back… the current policy goes back to 1991, and what I think is one of the redeeming qualities is that it's been tested over time.  It's a policy that reflects what the families have told us they would like by way of the treatment of remains of the loved ones who have made that sacrifice.  And it also is a policy that has spanned more than one Administration and more than one party so that it gets away to the extent any policy in this building can get away from it, it gets away from a political aspect that might motivate us.

            Beyond that, I'm really open to whatever you might have by way of questions that I could help with.

            Q:  Might we ask in this particular situation which has gained a lot of publicity where this woman has been fired for taking a picture, did the Pentagon fire her, or did the firm fire her, or did you advise the firm to fire her or bring any pressure?  How did that come about?

            Molino:  To my knowledge, I had no contact with her company, had no contact with the firm that fired her. I read in this morning's paper that she had been let go.  I was unaware until I read it that that was even being considered.

            I gave an interview with a Seattle-based radio program yesterday and I was asked about would the Pentagon take any sanctions against the lady and I indicated that I didn't think that was appropriate.

            Q:  You didn't think that the question was appropriate or that --

            Molino:  No, no.  I didn't think it would be appropriate for the Pentagon to take any sanctions against her, and none were planned by us.  The company made that decision on their own, as far as I know.

            Q:  Do you think she should be reinstated?

            Molino:  I think it's a decision that I really have no stake in and shouldn't say.  It's between her company and her.

            Q:  Mr. Secretary, earlier today Secretary Rumsfeld was championing the FOIA Act and [inaudible] FOIA Act and how wonderful it [inaudible].

            Molino:  Right.

            Q:  -- release photos of [inaudible] and then it was immediately, almost immediately shut down, sort of a reverse [inaudible] from Dover Air Force Base.  Would the Department of Defense at all go to AMC and say you need to reverse this decision, why did you let these photos out?  Were you involved in that decision at all?

            Molino:  I was not involved in the decision about the release of those photographs. I understand several photographs have been released. I've not seen the photographs.  I do know the attorneys are looking into the case to see if that was an appropriate action or an inappropriate action.

            By all means we support FOIA. FOIA is the law of the land.  The law of the land trumps policy all the time. If for some reason we find that the policy is inconsistent with the FOIA we'll look at whether or not the policy needs to be changed.

            I would say, however, that the current policy has been tested in the courts and has been withheld. I think it's a reasonable policy.  As I said in the opening, I think it has stood the test of time.  And more importantly probably than any of this, we continually get feedback from families that this reflects their desires to maintain a degree of privacy that we can while still allowing you access to information and also maintains the respect and the dignified treatment of those remains as they're transferred.

            So the short answer to your question is no involvement from my office with Air Mobility Command.

            Q:  If anyone can hear me, Bryan, can you spell your last name.

            Whitman:  Except that the person talking is not Bryan Whitman, if you think it's Bryan Whitman.

            Molino: No, it's John Molino.

            Q:  M-O?

            Molino:  L-I-N-O.

            Q:  What's your title?

            Molino:  Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Military Community and Family Policy.  It takes two business cards to do that. [Laughter]

            Q:  You say it represents families' feelings and requests.  How do you come to that determination? Is that anecdotal?  Do you ask them, all family members?  Do you take any kind of survey?  Can you talk a little bit about how you come to that conclusion?

            Molino:  Sure, I can.  We often have family readiness group meetings.  We have meetings of a Joint Casualty Assistance Board that we have with the services.  After services, graveside services are held we do solicit family reactions. It's through those means that we get this that we're being consistent.

            Keep in mind that any media coverage at a graveside, for instance, is entirely up to the families.  The appropriateness of that, the degree to which they want the press at the individual family services is entirely up to them.  But what we're talking about is the policy that deals with the transfer of remains along the way.

            Q:  Of course there have been notable exceptions in the last several years to this for some events.  I think the return of the remains from the Cole, the return of the remains from the Ron Brown accident.  What is the policy and standard, and what happens when there's an exception?  What makes an exception happen?

            Molino:  I don't know if I can adequately address that because I don't know that there's a general standard or a threshold through which you have to pass to say by golly that's the one we'd have to waive it for.

            Q:  In other words, if the President wants to attend some return ceremony that's the standard?

            Molino:  Certainly if the Commander-in-Chief said I want to have a ceremony there would be a ceremony and there would be a -- his presence would certainly be welcome.

            At Dover, as a rule, there is no ceremony.  It's a ritual more than a ceremony to my mind.  It is a dignified passage, if you will, of the remains from the airplane to the mortuary where the remains are prepared for their final burial, and then again to an airplane or to a hearse depending on where the location is and it is moved to that location.

            There have been exceptions to the policy, you're absolutely correct; and they're directed by my superiors when that occurs.  I don't know what would go in to say that we've crossed that threshold.

            To my mind, I'm not sure, I could not think of when I would recommend starting an action and working its way up that we change the policy.  Because I think it's a reasonable policy.

            Q:  If there's been a court ruling on this then there must have been something beyond a policy.  There must have been a regulation.  And how that would square with our FOI decision, your Freedom of Information decision to release hundreds of photos last week to an internet site.  Could you just clarify those two things, if you could?

            Molino:  I'll try. My understanding is the policy that went into effect in 1991 was challenged in the courts by the media to gain access to the transfer of remains at Dover, and that the Court ruled that the media, the press, did not have the right under the First Amendment to go to Dover to see this.  That the department, it was within their authority to restrict… to no press coverage that event at Dover Air Force Base.

            The services have policies that have derived from the DoD policy and the public affairs guidance that's out in that regard.  I don't know if that answers your question.

            Q:  That helps, for sure.  And then the FOI law, of course, would have been governing this release to the internet site, a different law.

            Molino:  That appears to be… certainly, the release was made by the FOIA office at Air Mobility Command and I'm certain that the person who released it believed they were acting consistent with the law.  The attorneys now are looking to see if the policy and the law are in conflict or if the policy and the law are not in conflict and there was just some misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the situation that allowed that release.

            Q:  Secretary Molino, on that point as I understand, can you confirm whether that FOIA was released on an appeal?  That it was initially denied and it was on an appeal that those photographs were released, which would suggest that, on an appeal of course, that this went through an awful lot of vetting through the Department's legal attorneys.

            Molino:  I can tell you that I don't have a clue as to what the right answer is to that.  I'll have to defer to someone who might know that answer because I don't know. FOIA is outside my area of responsibility and I don't know the answer to that.

            Q:  You say lawyers are reviewing it, do you mean AMC lawyers or Defense Department lawyers?

            Molino:  I think, and I stand to be corrected, that our general counsel is working with the AMC folks.  I think that is correct, and if it's not I would ask the folks standing behind me, maybe they're shaking their head either up and down or across, I don't know.

            Q:  They're [inaudible]. [Laughter]

            Molino:  And I don't blame them.

            Q:  What is objectionable?  What does the Department of Defense find objectionable about these images being shown to the public?

            Molino:  It's more a case of what the families might find objectionable to these images.

            Q:  It's DoD policy though.

            Molino:  Right. It's a DoD policy that we believe and we are convinced reflects the families' desires.  Families can make a decision in their individual cases insofar as graveside services or church services are concerned, but the transfer of remains at Dover or in Europe, for that matter, we believe that we are, we have a policy that is reflective of what the families desire vis-à-vis privacy, vis-à-vis the dignity of the event, and until we're shown otherwise I think we're pretty comfortable with the policy.  As I said, it has been around for about 14 years.

            Q:  So this has nothing to do with quashing, to use the term, quashing public awareness of the fact that dozens of bodies are coming home from Iraq?  This has nothing to do with that is what you're saying?

            Molino:  It doesn't from my perspective, and the reason why I say that is that when I go home in the evenings the TV screens are filled with news of what's going on overseas.  The TV that I have in my office during the day is filled with first-hand accounts of what's going on overseas.

            The department I know releases the numbers of casualties.  I know that when families are notified the department also releases the names and you have a current count.

            So I don't know what that would achieve.  If that were in concert with barring the other things, goodness, we had embedded reporters during the war who were showing first-hand what was going on.

            So I don't see that as our motivation, and that's one of the things I'm happy about, that this has actually spanned different Administrations from different parties so that we can say when we get to the, when you see it from a perspective of trying to be responsive to the families, it makes sense.

            Q:  You hit on a very good point there --

            Whitman:  Hang on just a second.

            Q:  -- that the Department of Defense releases the names --

            Whitman:  Hang on just a second on the phone.

            Q:  -- and everything else, how is that not an insensitivity to the families --

            Whitman:  Hang on a second.  We've got some folks that are on deadline so we're going to wrap this up with one more question from the room right here.

            Q:  You talked about you've spoken with the families and you believe the policy is the way it is because by and large they don't want images taken of these returns.  Can you give us an idea, is that sort of a continual process, or did you consult them in '91 and that's why the policy stands today? I mean do you meet with families on a regular basis?

            Molino:  Yes.  That's what I intended to imply.  We do meet with families.  We do meet with the service representatives who are responsible for the service policies, and we would be responsive to any input that would say it looks like the tide is turning, it looks like families actually think this would be a good idea.  And in fact we're getting none of that. I think it's pretty obvious that it's not a good idea.

            To be very frank with you we don't want the remains of our service members who have made the ultimate sacrifice to be the subject of any kind of attention that is unwarranted or undignified.

            Whitman:  Thanks for joining us. I know it was on short notice.  I hope this has provided you with some understanding.

            I'd also encourage you to take a look at Mr. Molino's transcript if you're interested in this from a year ago. It's on the Defense Link site. [inaudible] and in great detail.

http://www.freep.com/news/nw/dover4_20031204.htm

Delaware's Dover Air Force Base receives and honors America's fallen soldiers

December 4, 2003

BY CAROL ROSENBERG
KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS

DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, Del. -- They come night and day, holidays and weekends: steel-gray military cargo planes bearing America's war dead. And each is received in the same steadfast, solemn way.

A chaplain prays. Six soldiers march aboard the plane. They straighten the flag that drapes each coffin, then carry the dead, one by one, over the tarmac to midnight-blue vans for the half-mile crawl to the base morgue and mortuary. All traffic, indeed, all work stops at the sprawling base as the motorcade goes by.

This is the scene Americans cannot see under a 12-year-old White House no-news-coverage policy that Pentagon officials say shields the troops' privacy and dignity. Critics complain is a bald attempt to hide bad news.

More than 400 [724 on April 22, 2004] times since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, U.S. forces have carried out the hourlong transfer ritual at the central Delaware air base, the arrival point for U.S. troops who died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not once in that time has the ceremony been broadcast.

But soldiers and civilians involved in the ceremony want to reassure Americans that, although they can't see it, their fallen fighters aren't "cargo being treated just like something else coming off a plane," said Army Col. Chuck Taylor.

"This is the most precious thing that we have as a nation, and we're bringing them home," he said.

As commander of the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment, known as the Old Guard, Taylor dispatches an honor guard from his base 100 miles away at Ft. Myer, Va., for every dead soldier's arrival.

Rather than don the full-dress uniform worn at most military burial ceremonies, the honor guard wears fatigues out of respect to fallen comrades.

"The last time they left the United States of America, they were walking aboard an aircraft with soldiers, fellow service members. So when they're brought back to the United States, they are met by soldiers," Taylor explained.

Participants say there's no special schedule for the arrivals and no special hearse flights. They seem to arrive about 48 hours after news media report the latest casualties -- after troops in the field have placed the dead in body bags and then in ice-packed 7-foot aluminum "transfer cases."

Military logisticians put the dead on the first available flights. If they die in Iraq, they shuttle them from Baghdad to Kuwait to Germany to Dover.

Former President George H. W. Bush's administration imposed the news-coverage ban after CBS and CNN split their screens to show Bush explaining the 1989 Panama invasion campaign while the first dead arrived at Dover.

Pundits and politicians argue that Americans lose their resolve for war when they see dead soldiers in flag-draped coffins. They call it the Dover Test or Dover Factor, though there's debate on whether it's the images that are important to public opinion or the mounting casualties themselves.

"Whether or not there's an actual factor there, it seems to be that the American public will take only so many casualties before a conflict becomes unpopular," said Marine Corps chief historian Chuck Melson.

Others say the issue isn't so much the dead but how Americans view the mission. Americans united about the mission would see the images of Dover as symbolizing sacrifice and service. A mission mired in uncertainty could transform the same image into a symbol of defeat.

On rare occasions, America has glimpsed the arrivals. President Bill Clinton lifted the ban in 1996 for a solemn salute to Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and the 32 others killed when their U.S. military plane crashed in Croatia. The Navy released photos of the arrival ceremony for sailors killed in the Al Qaeda bombing of the USS Cole in 2000.

Dover also hustles as a base that moves 47 percent of all overseas-bound military shipments.

Nine full-time staff members work at the base's morgue and mortuary under the direction of Karen Giles, a reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel who these days supervises dozens more reservists and active-duty service members.

Mortuary workers recall only one day since the Iraqi campaign began in March when an American's remains wasn't in the funeral parlor or the morgue.

Soon after Iraqi opposition forces shot down a Chinook helicopter near Fallujah on Nov. 2, the staff ballooned to 60.

It is a mortuary like no other on U.S. soil. The state-of-the art facility has a special airport-style X ray conveyor to scan for live explosives embedded in bodies, a station to bar-code each of the bodies and DNA and dental labs for definitive identification. FBI agents take fingerprints, and pathologists work at 24 specially ventilated stations for autopsies and embalming.

There are also more traditional funeral parlor duties. Corpses are given cosmetic touch-ups, dressed and placed in coffins -- steel or wood, depending on the next-of-kin's preference.

Usually the family requests dress uniforms, Giles said, showing a room in the mortuary that resembles a wardrobe trailer on a Hollywood movie set. There are uniforms, ribbons, medals and insignia for all service branches.

"Everything has to be as close to perfect as humanly possible," said Army Spec. Eric Taylor, 21, of Chicago, who arrived three weeks ago from corpse recovery duty in Afghanistan. He now works as a dresser, preparing a dead soldier's ribbon rack, complete with a posthumous Purple Heart.

Typically, a fallen fighter leaves Dover three to five days after arrival. A military escort accompanies each coffin in a hearse as it leaves the base. Some go to airports in Philadelphia or Washington, D.C., if the families are far away.



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