25 July 2014
The Cryptosphere Interview of Cryptome
The article published:
2014-1027.htm Increased-Diverse Disclosure Initiatives Needed July 23, 2014
To: The Cryptosphere <thecryptosphere[at]gmail.com>
From: John Young <jya[at]pipeline.com>
Date: 7/24/2014, 06:58 ET
Congrats for your new venture, much success will surely follow.
The Cryptosphere: Money gets people's attention. Is that why you started
the Kickstarter? To attach money to a crusade and thus get more coverage,
more reads, more exposure for your crusade to get all the Snowden documents
It is one of Cryptome's ongoing efforts and experiments to communicate, learn
and teach in new and diverse ways, with content, outreach, invitation to
critique, probe crowd-funding, diminish corrosiveness and corruption of funding
secrecy, and share the results with the public while in progress. And more
to come on why and what.
Speaking of money, has Greenwald come after you for posting the PDF of his
book? If so, how? If not, why do you think he hasn't?
No, nor offered to pay for the publicity. He's is a deadbeat arrogant leech
on other people's work, not only of Snowden's, it has been his life's sole
purpose. But not that different from the usual narcissistic, deranged, lawyer,
journalist, NGO panhandler who preys on public generosity and trust by converting
free time and effort to branded profitability. You would never do that, now,
You had an average donation of over $70 on the Kickstarter; that's unusually
rich. What do you think that reflects about the people who support Cryptome?
$70 is both below and above the normal for donations over 18 years. One was
over $11,000, many for $25, some for $100 ($25-100 is for the Archive), a
lot for $0. The very best support is provided by those supplying disclosure
material, that is the lifeblood of Cryptome. Donations are appreciated but
most funding has been by us and is remains a trivial concern.
Are you going to refund the money, use it to produce archives, or do something
else with it? Donate it to the Paypal 14, just to annoy Omidyar?
Canceling Kickstarter cancels the pledges, so nothing to return except an
apology to those who pledged for Kickstarter's siphoning and selling their
profile. (A fair number said this is why they would not participate in this
or any other crowd-funding scam, that we should be ashamed of aiding and
abetting the hustle.)
Had you reached the $100,000, what would you have done with the money? I
mean, that's worth two potato salads in the Kickstarter economy.
We explained on Kickstarter: 25% to little known disclosure sites struggling
to survive, 25% to new disclosure sites, 25% to provide free copies of Cryptome
Archive; 25% to purchase better ISP service for Cryptome.
Why did you tie the end of the Kickstarter to the pclob meeting that was
No connection, did not remember the totally fraudulent and propagandistic
PCLOB. But thanks for reminding to slur the sleazybastards in public.
It seems to me you've been dropping hints about another leak/publication
system in the pipeline. What is it? Is it a concrete project, or are you
just hoping to inspire/flush someone out?
What do you mean by this "Distributed" model you talk about in the Kickstarter?
Is there one project out there that has your backing, specifically? Or are
you working on someething behind the scenes?
We initiate new disclosure means every few months. We operate about 12 domains
now and fund several others. Three of our latest domains were set up recently,
not yet announced, awating suitable material. We distribute our Archive by
a variety of means, online and off. We exchange material with other initiatives.
We urge those providing material to us to set up their own initiatives, many
have. We also recommend avoiding entanglement with us and other initiatives
due to the high likelihood of compromise, honey pot, entrapment, witting
or unwitting. No disclosure initiative can avoid being spied upon sooner
or later. Best to keep very low profile as long as possible, do not trust
security promises of existing initiatives, including Cryptome. The more popular
the disclosure initiative the greater the chance of screwing those who provide
material to advance the interests of the operators. Distributed is the only
way to disclose, concentrated means are never honest -- see note above about
perfidy of pols, lawyers, journalists, NGOs. You are the exception.
What kind of changes does the future hold for Cryptome.org? You've had tussles
with servers and DNS before. It's hard to believe this would put you off
We stated at the start of the Kick that Cryptome will continue to evolve,
in new and unexpected ways. No doubt, money fucks up everybody, grotesquely
rich or desperately poor. Cheating and lying about it is obligatory across
the spectrum around the planet -- see note above about perfidy of pols, lawyers,
journalists, NGOs. You are the exception.
Anyway, that's all the questions I've got for now. I'm sure the answers will
be as thought-provoking as they are bitterly amusing, as usual for Cryptome.
Send us material venal cowards dare not publish -- see note above about perfidy
of pols, lawyers, journalists, NGOs. You owe it to the fucked over public
or shut your shop.
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At 07:39 AM 7/24/2014, you wrote:
I hope one day to actually encounter enough money to determine if money corrupts
me. So far, I have dodged it with 100% success!
I am going to aim to get this up around noon my time, will send you the link
when it's live.
Do you have a picture you'd like to run with it? Maybe just the Cryptome
logo (it would have to be at least 400px wide)? If not, I'll get something
off Flickr (cc licensed).
Grab the Cryptome logo on our home page.
Another point or so, ha:
Commercial, NGO and individual incitement of disclosers to take risk by funding
dropboxes and disclosure sites as well as outright bribery with fund-raisers
(crowd-funding laundering), speaking fees, honoria, travel costs, and legal
expenses is cowardly, sleazy and corrupting of public disclosure. The same
as what spies and LE does to conspire, entrap, coerce, cut deals with, gullible
disclosers. Snowden a prime example of organized lawyer-media crime against
The canard that journalists and publishers do not pay sources, and assures
confidentiality and comsed f sources, is a giant [crock] of shit that needs
disposing and cleansing in sewage processing plants.
Moreover, media practice of consulting with governments on what to publish
or withhold of material disclosed by risk takers, is anti-democratic,
unconsitutional, venal, protective of privilege and betrayal of public trust.
See note about pols, lawyers,journalists, NGOs and manipulative oligarchs.
Not you, never.